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	<pubDate>Wed, 15 Oct 2008 01:44:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>Comment on Scrum: its place in the world by Traian</title>
		<link>http://agilethinking.net/blog/2008/09/26/scrum-its-place-in-the-world/#comment-134380</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Oct 2008 15:44:19 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://agilethinking.net/blog/2008/09/26/scrum-its-place-in-the-world/#comment-134380</guid>
					<description>Great article. Indeed that is a good explanation why Scrum maybe the better way to develop.</description>
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		<title>Comment on Distributed Teams are not Teams by Tobias</title>
		<link>http://agilethinking.net/blog/2008/07/18/distributed-teams-are-not-teams/#comment-133462</link>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Oct 2008 19:04:04 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://agilethinking.net/blog/2008/07/18/distributed-teams-are-not-teams/#comment-133462</guid>
					<description>Harold, I would certainly encourage self-organization over centralized control (which seems to happen anyway in most open-source implementations -- e.g. the Bazaar model).  But I wouldn't call it Scrum.  Open Source has always been very successful without Scrum.  It doesn't need it.  Command cultures, traditional businesses relying on top-down, mechanistic ways of thinking and working, those are the places that need Scrum.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Harold, I would certainly encourage self-organization over centralized control (which seems to happen anyway in most open-source implementations &#8212; e.g. the Bazaar model).  But I wouldn&#8217;t call it Scrum.  Open Source has always been very successful without Scrum.  It doesn&#8217;t need it.  Command cultures, traditional businesses relying on top-down, mechanistic ways of thinking and working, those are the places that need Scrum.
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		<title>Comment on Scrum: its place in the world by Mario Estrella</title>
		<link>http://agilethinking.net/blog/2008/09/26/scrum-its-place-in-the-world/#comment-133446</link>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Oct 2008 18:22:12 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://agilethinking.net/blog/2008/09/26/scrum-its-place-in-the-world/#comment-133446</guid>
					<description>Wonderful article. As I been traversing the agile world and learning new business techniques that are being applied elsewhere in my company I can totally relate to what Tobias is writing.

It's important to understand and promote that agile is not simply a &quot;new&quot; methodology, but rather it's a true paradigm shift that for it to be truly successful it needs to change not only development teams but organizations as a whole.

It's challenging and rewarding to be part of this.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wonderful article. As I been traversing the agile world and learning new business techniques that are being applied elsewhere in my company I can totally relate to what Tobias is writing.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s important to understand and promote that agile is not simply a &#8220;new&#8221; methodology, but rather it&#8217;s a true paradigm shift that for it to be truly successful it needs to change not only development teams but organizations as a whole.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s challenging and rewarding to be part of this.
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		<title>Comment on Distributed Teams are not Teams by Harald Walker</title>
		<link>http://agilethinking.net/blog/2008/07/18/distributed-teams-are-not-teams/#comment-133380</link>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Oct 2008 15:20:58 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://agilethinking.net/blog/2008/07/18/distributed-teams-are-not-teams/#comment-133380</guid>
					<description>I am curious if and how you would use Scrum or similar agile methodologies to manage open source software projects, where usually the core developers are distributed all over the planet.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am curious if and how you would use Scrum or similar agile methodologies to manage open source software projects, where usually the core developers are distributed all over the planet.
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		<title>Comment on Scrum: its place in the world by Boris Gloger</title>
		<link>http://agilethinking.net/blog/2008/09/26/scrum-its-place-in-the-world/#comment-130570</link>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Sep 2008 10:44:45 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://agilethinking.net/blog/2008/09/26/scrum-its-place-in-the-world/#comment-130570</guid>
					<description>Thanks for sharing this with us - In my way of thinking about Scrum it was always clear that Scrum is THE mindset that is able to deal with complexity for team. So Scrum is a framework to &quot;controlchaos&quot; as Ken Schwabers website it said 10 years ago. 

I strongly believe we are all observers of a real paradigm shift.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for sharing this with us - In my way of thinking about Scrum it was always clear that Scrum is THE mindset that is able to deal with complexity for team. So Scrum is a framework to &#8220;controlchaos&#8221; as Ken Schwabers website it said 10 years ago. </p>
<p>I strongly believe we are all observers of a real paradigm shift.
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		<title>Comment on Shock Therapy&#8230; or Compassion? by Boris Gloger</title>
		<link>http://agilethinking.net/blog/2008/09/15/shock-therapy-or-compassion/#comment-130566</link>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Sep 2008 10:40:07 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://agilethinking.net/blog/2008/09/15/shock-therapy-or-compassion/#comment-130566</guid>
					<description>Hi Tobias - very important discussion. I put my comment on my blog. http://www.borisgloger.com</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Tobias - very important discussion. I put my comment on my blog. <a href='http://www.borisgloger.com' rel='nofollow'>http://www.borisgloger.com</a>
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		<title>Comment on Scrum: its place in the world by bahadir</title>
		<link>http://agilethinking.net/blog/2008/09/26/scrum-its-place-in-the-world/#comment-129266</link>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Sep 2008 21:41:49 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://agilethinking.net/blog/2008/09/26/scrum-its-place-in-the-world/#comment-129266</guid>
					<description>Hi ,

As a software developer , I am not working in a company that accepted Agile philosophies. But I am able to read and try to learn about the philosophy(ies) around. The way that they described the human communication and collaboration is really amazed me. The plexus story link also contains a great sentence from Albert Einstein , that I would like to paste here.

&quot;The significant problems we have cannot be solved at the same level of thinking with which we created them.&quot; Albert Einstein

I really appreciate for this post, help me to enlighten more.</description>
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<p>As a software developer , I am not working in a company that accepted Agile philosophies. But I am able to read and try to learn about the philosophy(ies) around. The way that they described the human communication and collaboration is really amazed me. The plexus story link also contains a great sentence from Albert Einstein , that I would like to paste here.</p>
<p>&#8220;The significant problems we have cannot be solved at the same level of thinking with which we created them.&#8221; Albert Einstein</p>
<p>I really appreciate for this post, help me to enlighten more.
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		<title>Comment on Scrum: its place in the world by Lyssa Adkins</title>
		<link>http://agilethinking.net/blog/2008/09/26/scrum-its-place-in-the-world/#comment-129261</link>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Sep 2008 21:16:29 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://agilethinking.net/blog/2008/09/26/scrum-its-place-in-the-world/#comment-129261</guid>
					<description>Hear, hear, Tobias!  Yes, the power of human interaction reigns supreme in Scrum teams.  Take a fresh look at the Agile Manifesto.  You may start to see that human relationships are the Sun and the statements in the manifesto are the orbiting planets. Intentional or not (I would like to think intentional) the creators of the manifesto put human relationships at center stage.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hear, hear, Tobias!  Yes, the power of human interaction reigns supreme in Scrum teams.  Take a fresh look at the Agile Manifesto.  You may start to see that human relationships are the Sun and the statements in the manifesto are the orbiting planets. Intentional or not (I would like to think intentional) the creators of the manifesto put human relationships at center stage.
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		<title>Comment on Shock Therapy&#8230; or Compassion? by Luca Minudel</title>
		<link>http://agilethinking.net/blog/2008/09/15/shock-therapy-or-compassion/#comment-126194</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Sep 2008 14:47:51 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://agilethinking.net/blog/2008/09/15/shock-therapy-or-compassion/#comment-126194</guid>
					<description>I've found the post of Jeff Sutherland to be more about Big-Bang Full-Immersion scrum boorstrapping versus Gradual step-by-step scrum boorstrapping.

I don't have found it to be about Authoritarian scrum boorstrapping versus compassionate boorstrapping. But if you are interested in discipline as a way to safely explore, experiment and learn I strongly raccomend this book of Asha Phillips &quot;Saying No&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve found the post of Jeff Sutherland to be more about Big-Bang Full-Immersion scrum boorstrapping versus Gradual step-by-step scrum boorstrapping.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t have found it to be about Authoritarian scrum boorstrapping versus compassionate boorstrapping. But if you are interested in discipline as a way to safely explore, experiment and learn I strongly raccomend this book of Asha Phillips &#8220;Saying No&#8221;
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		<title>Comment on Shock Therapy&#8230; or Compassion? by Kripanidhi</title>
		<link>http://agilethinking.net/blog/2008/09/15/shock-therapy-or-compassion/#comment-126159</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Sep 2008 12:58:26 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://agilethinking.net/blog/2008/09/15/shock-therapy-or-compassion/#comment-126159</guid>
					<description>Agile, Scrum, XP are all based on a very high discipline(self discipline)paradigms.  These Values based, Self-organizing, Empirical Process driven Team Approaches need a very high team maturity.  That's why Kent Beck is now calling it &quot;Responsible Development&quot; - tied with Responsibility, Accountability and Transparency. 

In ab-initio learning of any such attitude driven disciplines, like Martial Arts, Yoga, Sports or even Commando Training, the initial training is highly &quot;command and control&quot; oriented induction into the ideologies and values first.  This phase is painful and normally not easily achievable in a democratic self-organizing environment.  Once the team is focussed and driven on a value system by a hard-disciplined coach, then the teams get to know the entire system and the rationale of how and why it works.  

Once the teams, scrum-master, product-owner and related management stakeholders go through these simulated, directed, most times painful, team work, they can then steer themselves on the  self-organizing mode on their own.

Without this grinding, practical, hands on disciplined orientation and monitored induction of the teams, it is easier to wriggle out of the pain that is caused in learning the discipline and commitment that is called for in Agile to succeed.

Hence I am inclined completely to not just believe in what Scott says, but also whole heartedly subscribe to it.  I do not feel it is contradicting the basic Agile Values in any way as this approach is used only for ab-initio training of new teams and stakeholders.  This ends once the teams are trained.

This has also been my experience, in exactly similar lines, of all the teams I coached on such terms and they succeeded.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Agile, Scrum, XP are all based on a very high discipline(self discipline)paradigms.  These Values based, Self-organizing, Empirical Process driven Team Approaches need a very high team maturity.  That&#8217;s why Kent Beck is now calling it &#8220;Responsible Development&#8221; - tied with Responsibility, Accountability and Transparency. </p>
<p>In ab-initio learning of any such attitude driven disciplines, like Martial Arts, Yoga, Sports or even Commando Training, the initial training is highly &#8220;command and control&#8221; oriented induction into the ideologies and values first.  This phase is painful and normally not easily achievable in a democratic self-organizing environment.  Once the team is focussed and driven on a value system by a hard-disciplined coach, then the teams get to know the entire system and the rationale of how and why it works.  </p>
<p>Once the teams, scrum-master, product-owner and related management stakeholders go through these simulated, directed, most times painful, team work, they can then steer themselves on the  self-organizing mode on their own.</p>
<p>Without this grinding, practical, hands on disciplined orientation and monitored induction of the teams, it is easier to wriggle out of the pain that is caused in learning the discipline and commitment that is called for in Agile to succeed.</p>
<p>Hence I am inclined completely to not just believe in what Scott says, but also whole heartedly subscribe to it.  I do not feel it is contradicting the basic Agile Values in any way as this approach is used only for ab-initio training of new teams and stakeholders.  This ends once the teams are trained.</p>
<p>This has also been my experience, in exactly similar lines, of all the teams I coached on such terms and they succeeded.
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